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Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-20T18:42:58+00:00

BI isn't limited by memory in any way. Speed or capacity.

Statistics: Posted by HeneryH — Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:42 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-20T16:32:13+00:00

I would go for dual over single every time. I've never measured the difference, but it makes sense that it is faster. Be aware that if you have four RAM slots, you will need to read the motherboard book to ensure you use the two correct slots to enable dual channel mode.

You could of course then experiment with single and dual memory configurations.

Statistics: Posted by TimG — Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:32 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-14T23:08:42+00:00

Hi again,

I saw somewhere that dual channel memory was better for BI. Does it make a very noticeable difference? Have you tried single vs dual channel?

I was planning to buy one 32GB RAM module. But if dual channel helps with the overall system performance, I guess it'd be better to go with two 16GB modules.

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:08 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-14T21:50:58+00:00

Thanks everyone for all the great replies! Really appreciate it. I can't wait to try our new BI system.

Cheers!

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:50 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-13T14:31:20+00:00

SSD has awesome responsiveness improvements.

Are awesome responsiveness times required? No, but heck, it is nice to have quick reacting apps and fast start skip on video playbacks.

If you can assume the likelyhood of ever needing to playback older content is decreased, but you still might need it, that is the driving scenario for SSD for new and moving old to cheaper spindle disks.

Great! That's exactly what I want. I don't care much of the old videos. Probably we won't be using them very often. We're more interested in playback of recent videos. So I think the SSD will help in that scenario.

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:31 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-12T19:05:09+00:00

SSD has awesome responsiveness improvements.

Are awesome responsiveness times required? No, but heck, it is nice to have quick reacting apps and fast start skip on video playbacks.

If you can assume the likelyhood of ever needing to playback older content is decreased, but you still might need it, that is the driving scenario for SSD for new and moving old to cheaper spindle disks.

Statistics: Posted by HeneryH — Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:05 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-12T17:22:09+00:00

OK cool!

Have some of you used a SSD for New/DB before? Noticed any difference in speed of the GUI or else?

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:22 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-12T13:46:13+00:00

Those CPU have Intel UHD Graphics P750 which does support Intel Quick Sync Video. That would do it right?
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 0-ghz.html

Ha, yea I think you'll be just fine in the CPU department. My 11 year old CPU supports Intel H/W acceleration and I'm very happy with my utilization - I have a feeling you'll be just fine with yours.

Statistics: Posted by Matts1984 — Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:46 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-12T13:38:41+00:00

Blimey that is a beast of a CPU.

In terms of playback, I have no problems playing back clips from my mechanical drives at all but there again it’s only my family that will be accessing and reviewing the clips.

My PC has an i5-6500 with 16Gb of RAM, 250Gb SSD and 2 HDDs, 1 6Tb the other 2Tb but I’m going to replace the 2Tb with either a 6Tb or 8Tb, have both drives sitting around but just haven’t decided which size to add.

Statistics: Posted by IAmATeaf — Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:38 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-11T20:36:38+00:00

Also you might kill the SSD quicker if you are continuously writing to it.

Hummm... Good point.
The 2TB PCIe 4.0 Samsung SSD 980 PRO has a TBW (Total Bytes Written) of 1200TB. And a MTBF (Mean Time Before Failure) of 1.5M hours (171 years).
The 10TB WD Purple Pro Sata HDD has an Annualized workload rating of Up to 550 TB/yr. And a MTBF of 2M hours (228 years).
So it seems that the Purple Pro could handle more TB written than the SSD.

The SSD might do the job for quite a long time though. According to my very conservative calculations, I'd need 12TB for 60 days of video footage retention. At 1200 TBW that mean the SSD would survive around 16 years. That's quite good, no? Even if it'd go dead after 10 years, that'd be pretty good I think. And we'd have the perk of having snappier video playback for recent footage.

12TB
60Days
0.2TB/Day
73TB/Year
1200TBW (Warranty)
16.4Years

Samsung 980 Pro 2TB:
https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws.com ... ev.1.2.pdf
WD Purple Pro 10TB:
https://documents.westerndigital.com/co ... ta-hdd.pdf

Another thing to consider is if the CPU you have chosen will support any form of video acceleration? Does help to bring the overall load down.

Those CPU have Intel UHD Graphics P750 which does support Intel Quick Sync Video. That would do it right?
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 0-ghz.html

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:36 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-11T20:04:31+00:00

Is it worth have a New and then moving to Stored?

Also you might kill the SSD quicker if you are continuously writing to it.

On my rig I have 2 SATA drives and I just write direct to the drives splitting the cams across the drives so that I have some redundancy. By this I mean that for my front driveway for example I set 1 cam to write to 1 drive and the other to write to the other.

Another thing to consider is if the CPU you have chosen will support any form of video acceleration? Does help to bring the overall load down.

Statistics: Posted by IAmATeaf — Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:04 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-11T19:40:59+00:00

You're going to be watching/recording video a lot more often than you'll be booting your server up.
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The DB should NOT be on the same drive as your OS. ... If there is some random bug that causes the DB to grow without stopping - it needs to be contained so that you do not lose access to your OS.

I would advise keeping Windows away from any files that you actually want to keep. In my main BI5 system, Win10 has its own SSD, and then I have a 250GB SSD just for the database and New folders, then I move files out to mechanical hard drives in storage folders. It's been rock solid for years.

It makes a lot of sense. The main job of the machine is to be a camera server. Might as well give the fastest drive to the camera system. I didn't buy any of the parts yet. So still got lots of flexibility.

I'll probably go with:
OS - 250GB PCIe 3.0
New/DB - 2TB PCIe 4.0
Stored - 10TB SATA

Now that I'll have 1 SSD less than I thought, I'll have money for the 2TB 4.0. And the price difference between the 2TB 3.0 and 4.0 isn't that bad.

What CPU are you looking at and what Windows version?

I was thinking about a Xeon W-1350, W-1370 OR W-1370P. Supermicro X12SCA-5F motherboard. 32GB ECC DDR4 3200 RAM.
Windows 11 Pro.

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:40 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-10T17:29:20+00:00

All I see above are a load of dots?
This is what I see in Tapatalk

LOL OK thanks for letting me know. I've fixed it.

Statistics: Posted by KoreyVincent — Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:29 pm

New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-09T20:31:52+00:00

All I see above are a load of dots?
Don't let the dots distract you buddy!

This is what I see in Tapatalk

Statistics: Posted by IAmATeaf — Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:31 pm

Re: New PC Drives configuration

2021-11-09T19:39:35+00:00

As an old timer who has built and broken many pc's over the years, I would advise keeping Windows away from any files that you actually want to keep. In my main BI5 system, Win10 has its own SSD, and then I have a 250GB SSD just for the database and New folders, then I move files out to mechanical hard drives in storage folders. It's been rock solid for years.

Statistics: Posted by TimG — Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:39 pm