Blue Iris

Blue Iris 5 • Unable to access my camerss with Phone

2024-08-12T01:06:57+00:00

Using my LAN IP ....

When using the Blue Iris app , I get "Unable to Connect - IP banned"
When I use my phone in Google Chrome - I get "access to xx.xxx.xx.xx (my IP address) was denied - you don't have authorization to view this page.

When I use my desktop using the LAN IP I am able to log into my cameras.

Router has port 81 forwarded and the connection wizard in Blue Iris passes

Statistics: Posted by zino1 — Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:06 am

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI APP not connecting to WAN

2024-08-11T21:49:18+00:00

IT likely has nothing to do with the "app" but really just connecting to your machine from the WAN from any device.

Research port forwarding. That is the issue.

[edit] maybe zero tier tackles the port forwarding issue so my comment might not be right for your scenario.

Statistics: Posted by HeneryH — Sun Aug 11, 2024 9:49 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: Camera sync not effective on some items, but not available either

2024-08-10T22:35:01+00:00

I think I'm wrong about one of these (at least). The Alert on Alert and On Reset appear to sync. What's confusing is if you do this:

Set Camera B to sync from A.
Camera A, set on-alert to something, call it Y
Camera B, un-set sync on alert tab
Camera B, set on-alert to something, call it X.
OK back out
Camera B, set on-alert tab to sync from A.

I think that after this series of events, B's alerts actually are Y (coming from A). But if you now:

Go to camera B's alert tab, turn off sync, go into the alerts, it shows X.

So it appears in sync'ing, it does not actually bring in the values, but persists what were there before.

I think. There doesn't appear to be any way to know which fields, if any, fail to sync, as you can't just turn off sync and look.

I think.

This seems like a particularly confusing model if indeed there are some items that do not sync. The copy command, for example, does not copy actions; my presumption was that implied to sync also.

This is exacerbated by not understanding exactly when a sync occurs. I think (I'm saying that a lot) that it occurs only when you go into a camera's settings and hit OK. Maybe something else does it, but it does NOT appear to happen as soon as you change the source camera. I think. This is what has misled me in a lot of trial and error testing.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 10:35 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: MQTT &MEMO not working? Limit on length?

2024-08-10T20:31:16+00:00

I also tried the %001 macro, which is sort of documented as identical to &MEMO, and it indeed came out identically.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:31 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: MQTT &MEMO not working? Limit on length?

2024-08-10T20:16:05+00:00

I'm sure I've had that working before. Can you show your BI5 On Alert/ Action set/ MQTT settings for it ?
....
From my notes, Variables that can be used are:

Is below the one you want?

I don't think it's that the variable can't be used, since it does substitute, it just doesn't have in the substitution what the manual says it should have.

I'm pulling the actual values out of mqtt explorer, so am viewing it before it gets to Home Assistant, so it's not something being changed in HA. I do use Mosquito for other things, and those work fine as well.

I wish I had saved my setup from the prior house. I know this was working once upon a time, though I made little actual use of it (as in automations), it was more to view, and I can't say I've looked at it in a long time. It could have broken in a prior BI version and I may never have noticed. Also, these are different cameras. I did have to change the setting to say "Motion" as when I used &TYPE it was a long string that HA didn't interpret as a motion event, but I think that's a different concern than the AI Memo.

I'm a bit surprised that it says this is the AI memo, but what it looks like is the ONIVF event. But I confirmed that CPAI was called and confirmed the alert.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:16 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: MQTT &MEMO not working? Limit on length?

2024-08-10T19:09:35+00:00

I'm sure I've had that working before. Can you show your BI5 On Alert/ Action set/ MQTT settings for it ? I've got MQTT outputting car number plates from BI5 via MQTT and Homeseer reading them out via Alexa speakers. The other use was to restrict the BI5 MQTT to only trigger when "Required AI Objects: Person" which then only needed a "ON" as the payload to allow Homeseer to control the drive lights.

From my notes, Variables that can be used are:

•{"plate":"&PLATE"} which gives you the OCR’d number plate,
•{"AlertImgPath":"&ALERT_PATH"} gives the path of the jpg image,
•{"Alert_AI":"&MEMO"} gives the ALPR AI info.
•{"Date":"%d-%m-%Y %H:%M:%S"} gives date and time,
•{"Camera":"&CAM"} adds in the camera name that was triggered.
•{"type":"&TYPE"} will show which motion detection was triggered.

And these can be used individually, or combined into one payload.

Statistics: Posted by TimG — Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:09 pm

Blue Iris 5 • MQTT &MEMO not working? Limit on length?

2024-08-10T18:18:21+00:00

I'm just running into a lot of issues making me think I am doing something incorrectly.

Trying to configure BI to work with Home Assistant which requires MQTT. I have it working but an expected field is being truncated (or possibly just has the wrong content), and not sure why.

I have the on-alert configured with this payload:

Code:

{"type":"Motion","trigger":"On", "memo": "&MEMO"}

The &MEMO is documented as showing the AI's processing confidence as well as what was detected. What I get instead is only this:

Code:

{"type":"Motion","trigger":"On", "memo": "RuleEngine/CellMotionDetector/Motio"}

It appears to be substantially truncating the full memo. It's not an underlying MQTT limitation as I tried adding &JSON and I get the full, long value set including locations, confidence, etc (as below). That's something in theory I could use to get the same info, but it's not what I want. I know in the past I did something to get it showing things like "Person: 93%" though I do not recall precisely.

Am I missing something? I'm going by this definition of &MEMO from the manual:

Code:

{  "api": "objects",  "found": {    "message": "Found bench, person",    "count": 2,    "predictions": [      {        "confidence": 0.6642040014266968,        "label": "bench",        "x_min": 2516,        "y_min": 1253,        "x_max": 3506,        "y_max": 2143      },      {        "confidence": 0.9286361336708069,        "label": "person",        "x_min": 3196,        "y_min": 346,        "x_max": 3510,        "y_max": 1168      }    ],    "success": true,    "processMs": 52,    "inferenceMs": 52,    "moduleId": "ObjectDetectionYOLOv5-6.2",    "moduleName": "Object Detection (YOLOv5 6.2)",    "code": 200,    "command": "detect",    "requestId": "4a5e68ce-0140-447f-a395-986d9b88e394",    "inferenceDevice": "GPU",    "analysisRoundTripMs": 127,    "processedBy": "localhost",    "timestampUTC": "Sat, 10 Aug 2024 18:04:53 GMT"  }}

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 6:18 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Camera sync not effective on some items, but not available either

2024-08-10T17:26:21+00:00

Can someone please confirm my understanding. This comes from experimentation, and I do not see it documented. Or, maybe documented.

When I sync camera B to camera A, and do so on the trigger tab, and on the alerts tab, there appear to be aspects that are not sync'd. For example, on the alerts tab the ONVIF triggering items and the On Trigger and On Reset are not sync'd.

HOWEVER, they are not available to change either. You have to un-sync in order to access those fields. Or even to see what's in those fields. But I think (emphasis on think as I've had inconsistent results) that those items persist in whatever state you leave them if you sync again. Maybe.

The motion zones are related and even a bit more strange; if using ONVIF detection with camera zones, you still have to define motion zones for CPAI to exclude those zones (use case: let's say you detect motion on the right side only, but there's a car parked on the left side of a frame; if there's motion (say a bird flies by) then CPAI will see the car on the non-detecting side unless you exclude it in the BI Motion zone, even though you are not using BI Motion detection). I am still a bit unclear what is going on, as the zones keep resetting for me, so it may be (or may not) that the sync is overwriting it.

This all seems very confusing and frankly wrong -- if the sync is not affecting ONVIF events (for example), why is ONVIF events greyed out when sync is on?

And is motion detection zones supposed to work the same way, or is that actually being sync'd?

The result of all this is that I have both alerts and trigger not sync'd, though I really want them to be. I WANT the ONVIF and On Trigger and On Reset to be the same on all cameras. The only thing I do want different is the motion zones, which seems to NOT persist individual changes.

Is my interpretation right?

Is this just broken, or am I not understanding the paradigm?

Linwood

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:26 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T15:58:32+00:00

Well done. My gut feeling was right, but I missed that in your settings, as it IS ticked in mine. It does make it clear how to use ONVIF triggers with CPAI though, which I will look into with my (Mainly Dahua) system.

Yeah. A prior "gotcha" I found is that with ONVIF events only, if your camera has specific areas defined, you have to define them in the BI Motion detection areas section even though BI motion detection is turned off. Which... I get, as that's the only place to define it now there being no AI area definition, but it is sure confusing to have an option take effect when it is turned off.

Now I need to see if N can let the camera detect people and vehicles as opposed to just motion.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:58 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T15:54:51+00:00

Well done. My gut feeling was right, but I missed that in your settings, as it IS ticked in mine. It does make it clear how to use ONVIF triggers with CPAI though, which I will look into with my (Mainly Dahua) system.

Statistics: Posted by TimG — Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:54 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T15:39:48+00:00

I found it. Mea Culpa (but you knew that).

In BI "motion detection" refers only to it's own (except in one place for zones).

I still don't know why I could check use GPU before and now cannot. But I'm getting confirmations/cancellations again.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:39 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T13:53:12+00:00

Weird !
OK, lets have a look. What we do know is that it was working until you adjusted everything, so it must be a setting !

Oh, I think it's absolutely something I changed, I am just completely stuck on what. My GUESS is that it's two or more things, which has kept my attempts and un-changing or re-changing things from working.

1. BI5 general settings/ AI - Untick "Auto start/stop with Blue Iris". That was required early on with DeepStack, but will cause havoc with CPAI now as it runs as a self controlled service.

I sort of remembered that, but this was one of the random things to get it back. Done, restarted both services, no change.

2. Are you even getting "Cancelled Alerts" ? Anything to show if CPAI is doing something ?

No, there's no indication anywhere that CPAI is getting called, at all, and lots of indications it is not (the CPAI status and logs tabs do not change).

4. There is a note on the forum from the Deepstack era that you could prevent AI working by disabling Object detection in BI5. Since you are using ONVIF motion detection, I suspect you have a new variation of this issue here. I can see that you have Motion Zones A-H ghosted out. What does it do if you enable A-G ? It shouldn't have any negative effect if you don't have zones set up.

That was another random thing I tried; I just un-did that, no impact.

5. I note that you have DAT files enabled. Are you aware that they are only meant for setting up, and that they will fill your BI5 Alerts folder and block things without warning ? Turn them off, and delete the DAT files.

I was not, I did not realize it was a problem, in fact at the prior house I think they were on for years. I had 15g of files there and 17988 dat files. I deleted them. Thank you. I'd like to leave it on though for now as I finish setting up. I had plenty of space so doubt that was the issue.

Let us know if that changes anything

No change, though I woke up realizing there was another significant thing I changed -- I was tired of the low rez fuzzy multi-camera display, and could not find a way to change it, so I removed (set to none) the video setup second channel. That uses the main stream for display.

But I just put it back for the primary (i.e. source of sync'd cameras) and that had no impact putting it back.

This begs a question the answer to which would help -- if I have cameras B sync'ing to camera A, and change something on camera A for example on the alerts page, how long does it take or what steps are needed to make camera B reflect the change?

Also, related, I think there is a "feature" concerning that. If I am syncing B to A, and in A I add to the alert tab, on-alert and on-reset some MQTT settings, then un-check sync on B and look in B's settings, they are not there.

I did try one thing that had some progress -- I recalled an old issue I had where CPAI was being called too often, I had in the alert tab, AI setup the static object analysis check box checked. I checked that (it was not checked) and started getting some calls to cpai on object detection. It did not fix the problem, but it shows BI is able to call CPAI when it wants to.

But I have a clue.... notice on my AI page the "Use GPU" is not checked, but is available. At this moment Use GPU is not available, I can't check it. Stop/start CPAI no change. One cleanup thing I was doing is making changes to get rid of some HW encode errors. I don't know what I did to disable this. The general Cameras tab is set for HW Accelerated decode of Nvidia NVDEC (I have a GTX 970). But in my changing things, something has disabled the check box for Use GPU, and experimenting with other settings I can't find what.

This GPU stuff came from chasing the error "HW encode setup failed: 483 for 'recording 0' check hardware compatibility. I turned off under the specific camera, record, file/format, recording 0 configure, HVA. It was set to Nvidia. I changed to none. I just put it back, the error returned, but the "use GPU" is not enabled again (since it's global I would be surprised if that did it).

So the root problem may or may not be related to some GPU setting. Though I would have thought that a bad setting would give an error related to CPAI, not just not call it.

So... still stuck. After breakfast I may just delete a camera and start over without sync'ing settings, see if I can get it working then. Other ideas welcomed.

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:53 pm

Blue Iris 5 • Re: BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T09:57:34+00:00

Weird !
OK, lets have a look. What we do know is that it was working until you adjusted everything, so it must be a setting !

1. BI5 general settings/ AI - Untick "Auto start/stop with Blue Iris". That was required early on with DeepStack, but will cause havoc with CPAI now as it runs as a self controlled service.
2. Are you even getting "Cancelled Alerts" ? Anything to show if CPAI is doing something ?
3. Do you have multiple Profiles ? Could it turn CPAI OFF in one ?
4. There is a note on the forum from the Deepstack era that you could prevent AI working by disabling Object detection in BI5. Since you are using ONVIF motion detection, I suspect you have a new variation of this issue here. I can see that you have Motion Zones A-H ghosted out. What does it do if you enable A-G ? It shouldn't have any negative effect if you don't have zones set up.
5. I note that you have DAT files enabled. Are you aware that they are only meant for setting up, and that they will fill your BI5 Alerts folder and block things without warning ? Turn them off, and delete the DAT files.

Let us know if that changes anything

Statistics: Posted by TimG — Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:57 am

Blue Iris 5 • Re: TP-Link TAPO C520WS

2024-08-10T07:50:09+00:00

Hi, Thanks for that reply and the snapshot of your Tapo C520WS setup for Blue Iris.
You may have seen i discovered my issue was purely my own fault and I had been using an incorrect password.
My setup is similar to yours but I don't use the 2020 in the Discovery/Onvif port in the setup just the standard one and I don't have any of the Onvif tick boxes selected.
I might try your settings just to see what happens, but the cameras are working fine with my settings. I do however use ONVIF under the PTZ setting and port 2020 there to get PTZ control from Blue Iris.

Statistics: Posted by Brucew — Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:50 am

Blue Iris 5 • BI stopped calling AI - no errors, just stopped?

2024-08-10T02:45:06+00:00

Running BI 5.9.4.11 x 64 with Code Project 2.6.5. This was all working fine together, I got 4 new cameras and decided to clean up and make the config consistent and somehow, somewhere in doing so I broke something.

Here's the problem -- everything appears to be working, no errors appear anywhere I can find, but BI has stopped confirming alerts with AI. It doesn't show anything in BI to indicate it tried, and watching the status in code project shows no activity.

BI's log shows:

Code:

0 8/9/2024 10:04:35.566 PMLog                 Retaining 13 files (77.9MB)0 8/9/2024 10:04:35.574 PMServer              Started on port 810 8/9/2024 10:04:35.706 PMAI                  responding at 127.0.0.1:32168

so it thinks it can talk to it, so it appears related to not wanting to confirm. There is nothing in the log concerning AI other than that, and CP's log shows no calls. I've tried tweaking settings in the alert section, restarted CP, restarted BI, rebooted. I feel like I've unchecked some option and just plain forgot. But I can't find it.

Does anyone have any idea what I could have broken?

Again -- this was all working. I made no changes to CP, but did a lot of cleanup of configs in BI so most tabs are sync'd from one master camera. So I probably changed something. The screen shots are from that master camera and that master camera is the one I am using for testing.

I did set up alerts going to MQTT to get this working with Home Assistant but that should not occur until after confirmation. And it's not showing any errors either.

Here's a typical log of one event:

Code:

0 8/9/2024 10:30:15.311 PMcamBackDriveway     ONVIF Event: IsMotion="true"0 8/9/2024 10:30:15.311 PMcamBackDriveway     ONVIF Event: MotionAlarm (State="true")0 8/9/2024 10:30:15.312 PMcamBackDriveway     ONVIF Event: RuleEngine/CellMotionDetector/Motion0 8/9/2024 10:30:15.313 PMcamBackDriveway     ONVIF Event: MotionAlarm (State="true")3 8/9/2024 10:30:15.500 PMcamBackDriveway     Triggered: ONVIF (IsMotion="true")3 8/9/2024 10:30:16.108 PMcamBackDriveway     Alerted0 8/9/2024 10:30:16.113 PMcamBackDriveway     MQTT: Publish OK to BlueIris/camBackDriveway/Status0 8/9/2024 10:30:20.100 PMcamBackDriveway     ONVIF Event: RuleEngine/CellMotionDetector/Motion

I am using ONVIF events to detect motion. I've tried taking the motion zones on the alert page off and on (since there's a link to zones and where CP looks for objects) without impact.

Anything?

Statistics: Posted by Ferguson — Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:45 am